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created that report was then fired. >> and it looks like we may be getting a new supreme court justice from new york city. her name is elena kagan. and she apparently very, very smart. so smart she actually does read all the newspapers and magazines. >> here is a little bit of good news, the coast guard says that bp is now catching up to 630,000 gallons of oil a day. the bad news is that they are catching it with ducks. >> and that's all for us. "larry king live" starts right now. tonight, lindsey lohan cracks after being sentenced to 90 days in the slammer. >> i'm not taking this as a joke it is my life. >> we have lindsey's father,
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michael. and some are calling for michael steele to quit after controversial remarks over afghanistan. dnc chairman tim kaine is here, reacting publicly for the first time in all of this then, a miss boy bombshell, did the stepmother of little kyron horman try to hire a hitman to kill her husband, the child's father. another twist on the case from the report here broke the story next, on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening. a reminder, israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu will be here tomorrow night t is a prime time exclusive. prime minister netanyahu, tomorrow night, for the full hour. lindsay lohan has been ordered to serve 90 days in jail for miss alcohol counseling session and violation of probation. she has to surrender july 20th. michael lohan is lindsay lohan's father. he was in the courtroom today. he will be with us tonight.
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lisa bloom is his attorney. and we, as well, welcome addiction expert, dr. drew pin ski, the host of "celebrity rehab" on vh-1. here's lindsey in court, hours ago. >> in terms of going more than once in a week, some people -- i know that i was ordered to go once a week and i wasn't -- you know, i wasn't missing the classes just to hang out or to do anything like that i was working, mostly in -- i was working with children. it wasn't a vacation. it wasn't some sort of a joke. and i respect your order and i have been taking it seriously. and i appreciate the program has done so much to help me finish early because i wanted to make sure that i would come back here making you happy and the court system and show that i meant everying th ing thaing tha ingi
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put into t and going more than once a week, i couldn't do that only because i couldn't worked next week, i figured i knew and i was still in compliance if i did three in a week or two in a week it would make up the fact that i had to work the next week, i won't be there, because i have done them now, so i thought, as far as i knew, that was in compliance. had i not known that i had been, you know, taken aside and told that in detail, then that would have been a different story. i'm not taking this as a joke. it's my life and it's my career and something i've worked for my entire life. >> larry: that statement was made, by the way, before she was sentenced to the 90 days. we welcome to "larry king live" michael lohan, who has just arrived, he sped here and on his way in you can walk right in, michael, and grab a seat. as well, we welcome lisa bloom, who is the attorney for michael lohan and dr. drew pin kirk is the host of "celebrity rehab" on
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vh-1. michael, thank you for rushing over. i appreciate t. >> thank you for having me. >> what is your reaction to the sentence? >> dismay, but at the same time, a little satisfaction that she is going to a rehab, but the last thing in the world way and the was for my daughter to go to jail. >> larry: you think 90 days was harsh? >> mr. king -- >> larry: call me larry. >> larry, any time in jail is harsh, especially for a young lady like lindsey that doesn't need jail. i have been there myself and i know jail didn't do anything for me with my addictions. it was going -- taking a drug program seriously. i'm sorry. i'm just out of breath a little bit a little upset. >> larry: i know i will come back to you. lisa, you are an attorney, an attorney for michael, was the sentence in keeping with these kind of reaction to breaking probation? >> we were in the courtroom all day, a very emotional day for michael, certainly for lindsay
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and every be in thbody in that . lindsay was given chance by the judge and told in no uncertain terms she had to go to these alcohol classes once per week and her own attorney had to concede she missed a number of those class. on behalf had of michael, look no father wants to see his daughter go to jail. as an attorney, i don't see the benefit of sending addicts to jail they haven't hurt anyone. lindsay has only been hurting herself. the problem is, larry, in michael's view, she has a problem with prescription drugs and subjected to random drug testing now. that excludes the prescription drugs and the judge even stayed this in court today f she goes jail, larry, she can still take prescription drugs in jail. when she gets out of jail, she can take prescription drugs in rehab that is the albatross nobody say direction. >> larry: wasn't she harshly treated because she drove under the influence and that could kill somebody? >> it certainly could but the fact is that in this case it didn't and duis are treated very differently under the law when there is an accident causing
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injury and when there is no injury. >> can i say something? >> larry: yeah go ahead. >> sir, i got my first dwi, hit a telephone pole going 80 miles an hour. i got three to four years. i did my time, i appealed, i stayed on probation for 24 months, for two years. i was urine tested every single week. i had to go in. i lived up to every one of the mandates put upon me. the problem here is this, lisa, be dr. drew and myself have been telling every than this girl needs a rehab. she needs help. he wanted to help her had. he offer it had to her a long time ago. if lindsay's lawyer and lindsay would have just listened to us, she would have been in a rehab, she wod have been on her way to being clean and sober and have her life back. instead, she got jail and -- jail and rehab. >> larry: take another look, bring dr. drew in in a minute, lindsay in court today. watch. >> i take responsibility for my
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actions and i try to do the best i can in the past few weeks since i was here last, which is the only time i've been in you know, priesent in front of a judge in any of my situation, this specific case, this is the only time avenue actually -- and honestly, it did wake me.up, yes, of course it scared me and did confuse me because i was there thinking it was okay i missed those classes and i felt -- i didn't -- had i known differently, again, like i said, i would have take continue. you know, i would have made sure that i was in town each week wind have balance hide work around that because i would rather, you know, be working in the long run are after all i have been dealing with this kind of thing for the rest of my life. >> larry: why do we arrest addicts, doctor? >> they hurt other people. they hurt themselves it is a desperate measure when we bring legal action. >> larry: the only reason to arrest be a dui because she did kill someone? other than that -- >> possession.
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people get arrested for possession, for misuse, for disorderly conduct. you know, these are victimless crimes but the reality is though, out of desperation sometimes, you would be surprised. although i agree with everything that michael and lisa are saying that you don't treat addiction with jail. that is not how you treat it. yet, as a last-ditch measure, sometimes people find sobriety when they lose their freedom they do. they get attention. it seems like the judge focused, seemed to understand what she was doing in giving treatment after punitive measures shall squerkts i'm sure scaring you, i think michael was pointing out by him having gone through so much himself and really still not getting the message, sometimes you can become more rigid in your denial and more rigid in your on stun nance against capitulating to the treatment process when something like jail is put before you. >> larry: can she get out before 90 days? >> she certainly can, larry. the l.a. jails are very overcrowded. last time sentenced to 96 hours, she served 84 minutes.
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>> larry: how many days? >> she could be out -- i don't want to guess she could be out in days or weeks because a nonviolent misdemeanor offender like lindsay would be the first type of person to be released. >> larry: more in a moment. don't go away. new people. new ways. ndsay would be the first type of person to be released. >> larry: more in a moment. don't go away. in search of hidden treasure. secret hideouts. magic lands. the treasure is still here. and waiting to inspire a new generation of dreamers. come uncover the riches and bounty of pure michigan. your trip begins at michigan.org. we've helped over three-quarters of a million families... refinance or purchase their home. - and that's why i love... - i love... i love being a home loan expert. ♪
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>> larry: we are back. michael, she has been in rehab, hasn't she? >> yes, sir. >> larry: didn't work? >> no as i was just saying to dr. drew, she went in on a couple of different kinds of prescription medications and she
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came out on nine. and that is the problem. we both addressed that. i'm sure you understand that. >> larry: why are you two not friendly? >> because i represent what's right in life. i have been through t one thing i didn't elaborate on before that's really, really important is that when i went through the incarceration process, i stuffed everything inside. important is through the incarceration process, i stuffed everything inside. i had to go through getting stab and glass in my food, i went through it and made my way through. i became a chameleon. you stuff so much inside and it's still there. that's what i'm afraid's going to happen to her. >> she is mad at you why? >> because i'm speaking out, like i am today. >> i will tell you another reason, because michael has been urging her to go to rehab for a long time, larry. he does not take her out partying, does not take her out drinking like others close to her do he has been a very consistent message. i have tried on his behalf, behind-the-scenes to get her to go to rehab to avoid what
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happened today. she didn't want to hear that message >> larry: she is an extraordinary talent. >> absolutely. >> that is a liability. that is what so many of my parents get into, a cycle, they make money for people, incredibly talented, robert downey the poster child for this until he disappeared couple years and focused only on his dream and his sobriety that is all did he for two years, then he could reemerge and talent prevail. >> larry: one of those actresses he worked with? >> this girl from the minute she auditioned for "the parent trap "request i never saw her ability. >> larry: she has angered you, dr. drew. here is some of the things lindsey has tweeted about you. he is a quack and a sellout. please tell him to stop. i thought real doctors talked to patients in offices behind closed doors. he is such a loser. he is not a real doctor. he is a -- doctor. how do you respond? >> i have never treated her had, never met lindsay. >> larry: never met michael? >> i never met michael until today. i was sitting two seats away
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from lindsay at the mtv movie awards. i was going to reach out. if i caused you distress that is not my intent. i apologize and i hope you find, i am available, anybody else, referral, i hope you find your way into a better situation. i really believe that lindsay would be great recovering person some day. she has this one disease, addiction and people that are rich and interesting and intelligent and have lots of talent, they make great recovering people but how far down do they have to go? >> larry: what was the point but commenting on someone you don't know? >> i don't quite know. i mean, people make comments -- >> larry: her point is she is not a patient. >> i think commentary about people i see in the media, just people ask me my opinion what we might be looking at in the media, way to politically look at what might be going on. >> dr. drew said she needs rehab. anyone who says that becomes an enemy. >> she has been in treatment before. you can't be in treatment without diagnosis of addiction. we see somebody whose life is spiralling a bit that mean these
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need more treatment. >> today both of us with dots on our forehead. >> larry: how long are you clean now? >> since february 23, 2004. >> larry: here is the judge handing down the sentence. watch. i'm sorry, we lost the sound. but basically, i guess you are all in agreement with the sentence, right? you don't like jail time but she apparently -- >> treatment, that is the nice part of this treatment and evaluation. i agree with lease sark the prescription issue if she is on -- not all prescription drugs are bad forred a dick bus certain prescription drug it is people still active and they cannot, underline cannot establish sobriety like that the other issue what we look for in people getting successful treatment what we call capitulation. i am what i think, i'm sure michael agrees, fighting, fighting, denying, obfuscating,
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getting away from this. >> larry: michael is she a danger to herself? >> i think we have seen evidence of that with the cutting and the self-mutilation. when you go and you are on prescription medication go outed down a have a drink or do a lynn of cocaine or whatever, you don't know if that could be your last. i think dr. drew is right, with regard to having a bottom but my concern for so long, until that scram bracelet went on her ankle, was today going to be her last day? that is why i was reaching out. >> i don't want there to be misinterpretation that michael and i think the seine temp appropriate, we don't. we sent a letter to the court today, sent one previously, begging the court not to incarcerate her had i'm a pragmatic, larry, what enmessage does it send to someone to go to jail for 84 minutes. >> larry: adhering to the law? >> of course the judge had the discretion to do it think pragmatically what good does it do to send someone to jail for a short period of time? it becomes a joke. >> larry: what would happen, michael, if you went to her tonight and hughood her?
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>> i don't know. maybe i'll try. >> larry: why not? >> aid like to but the last time i did that she had her friends around and wound up -- >> he has tried. i have been there he tried today. brought her some water today in the courtroom, she was asking for water. nobody could do t michael left. >> larry: as we go to break, here is the clip of the judge handing down the sentence, hopefully. >> defendant is ordered to spend 30 days in jail on the reckless driving case, 30 days in jail on the first dui case consecutive and 30 days in jail on the second dui case, consecutive that is 90 days in jail. boss: y'know, geico opened its doors back in 1936
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>> larry: michael low ham, you have been through all of this what would you rule today? what would you have said from the bench? >> mandated six months or longer in an in-patient treatment facility that know what is they
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are doing, a facility that will take her off all the drugs, the pro-descriptions and otherwise and give her life back. >> larry: you know such a facility? >> he wrote a letter to the court. he spent a lot of time finding a program for her. in long island a very private program. >> larry: long island new york? >> keep it private acres from the paparazzi, near her family. offer for the first time have family therapy together. michael represented to the court woe make that his number one priority. so we are hoping that's what gets order. >> larry: do the paparazzi, dr. pinski, add to the problem? >> they certainly don't make it better. it adds to that sense of specialness and distractions from the work at hand, which is a very humble, quiet, slow process. >> larry: don't care about lindsay? >> no just about their pictures. >> they swarm her. >> just creates more chaos. just the last thing in the world she needs. let me say people looking for treatment program, hazelton is
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the gold standard for addiction programs across the country. lawyer recommend that? >> i recommend that. various programs out there but there are many, many other good programs out there as well. >> larry: think she can do it, michael, think really she can do it? >> i know she can do it. i don't think she can. i know she can. she is an intelligent girl, she has got drive when she put hearse mind to something, she can do anything in the world but the question is, was she really an i shall sue? i think she is going to be forced to make a decision now when she is -- the reality is starting to set in. and made some phone calls to her, her mom and my son, michael, and hopefully even before she gets sentenced, she will start the process. >> larry: how close is she with her mother? >> very close. >> larry: and her brother? >> very close. >> larry: your eat only one that's estranged? >> not so close. >> but he is very close with his other children. >> all of them. with the exception of what happened today and i must say this, my daughter, alianna out
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here with lindsay today, out here for a little while, with lindsay today, in the courtroom, everything was great last night, going to have lunch today after court and we hoped everything would go well, unfortunately, someone had given ali the letter that we sent to the court saying that lindsay, we wanted lindsay in rehab. in-patient treatment. and lindsay -- ali got ahold of it texted me in the courtroom said don't talk to me if you want lindsay in a rehab. >> larry: why do people get mad at people who try to help? >> that is such a strange thing, isn't it? that to me was the most caring move he could possibly make, yet your young daughter only sees the suffering, doesn't really understand the intent, what's on the other side of. this part of it is those of us who don't have this disease, don't understand what the disease does to people and what's on thor side. you have to have faith what's there when they recover. the other thing is went addict believes irk shouldn't say believe -- the addict brain is configured in such a way that
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not doing drugs is synonymous with survival, death, rather they fight against the possibility of stopping the way would you fight against somebody trying to kill you. and they will use everything they have. and that's what makes the rest of the people around them walk on eggshells to me that is comical. you don't walk on eggshells with an addict. >> we have seen the deaths of michael jackson, heath ledger and anna nicole smith. people say we have seen that coming that was predictable. michael has tried every legal option to get her into rehab and said i'm not going to wait until she is another hollywood statistic. lisa what can we do legally to try to help her? that is whaef been trying to, writing letters to court. he should be applauded for that. >> who prescribes the prescription drugs? >> we have been trying to find out hot doctors really are and i think -- lawyer need a doctor, you need a prescription? >> absolutely, sir, yes. >> a lot of doctors in this town will ho will give celebrity test anything they want? >> dr. drew knows this better
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than anybody, better than me. when you are prescribing drugs contradictory to each other, a benzo or a psychotropic or an opiate or whatever, some doctors don't want to know what the other doctors are writing and these addicts don't tell them and they are mixing these pills and it becomes toxic and sometimes lethal. look at casey johnson and the wrestler. >> larry: what does she do until july 20th? >> she -- >> larry: what does she do? >> the date she has to report. >> report to jail? you know what -- what i would recommend her do? i recommend her to take a good hard look at this and realize that people really care about her and there is a better life ahead, go to a meeting. do. >> you think they should go into a rehab now, get into a program? >> larry: even until 290th? >> when people are ready, you go now, do you whatever you can, immediately. even if it just going to a meeting and throwing yourself on the mercy of the people here, i need help this isn't working for me. >> i think the court would look favorably on her if she went to
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rehab now. >> larry: going to leave you now, going to go see her? >> i hope so i plan to do it and i hope i do see her. >> larry: only thing that can happen you is don't see her? >> yeah. the cops will come and i will get arrested again. i will be in jail with my daughter. what am i going to do? >> larry: thank you very much. best of luck to you. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> larry: dnc chairman tim kaine can with us. you will hear what he thinks about the michael steele dust up and his remarks for the first time, next. oh, phillips' colon health probiotic plus fiber. how's it work? ok, she's gas. he's constipation... why am i constipation? ...he's diarrhea.
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said. we will get the governor's reaction after this. watch. >> larry: governor, should steele say good-bye? >> well, you know, larry, i'm going to leave that for the republicans but let me say this my reaction to the comments. the comes were outrageous to say that the afghanistan war was a war of obama's choosing, ignores 9/11, ignores president bush going to a bipartisan congress and getting their support for going after the terrorists who did us harm, ignores the international coalition that joins with us n another way, as outrageous the statements are, they are also, i think, a logical extensions of what the republican party's game plan is which is blame the president for anything and oppose him on everything. earlier this year, as you new york the chairman wrote a book, chairman steele wrote a book,
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the subtitle was "ten twice stop the obama agenda." that is the republican playbook right now. that's yes think he actually is probably going to survive this because i don't think you can get fired on their side for saying something negative about the president that's all they do. >> larry: he is also disagritting policies supported by the republicans. >> right. and you have had republican members of congress and others who have come out and said this was an unfortunate statement, it was an unwise statement. they have called him to task on the statement but do not see a ground swell of support within the rnc to fire him. i think main reason is it is a logical extensions of a game plan from day one has been, you know, break the president, make health care his waterloo, fight against him on anything he propos proposes. >> larry: doesn't it seem odd to you the area the president is most support is the afghanistan
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policy where many democrats disagree with him? there. is paradox and irony in that the president said very plainly during the campaign that he viewed iraq as a war of choice and it was the wrong choice, but afghanistan is a war of necessity. just as in iraq the president by august will have taken american troop strength from 140,000 to 50,000 in combat troops, you will see him pursuing the same patient and careful strategy in afghanistan, to create a stage situation so that afghanistan doesn't threaten other nation and then draw american troops down, beginning in the summer of 2011. >> larry: let's ask it this way, if you are chairman of your party and you make a statement contrary to what your party feels, should you be asked to leave, if it were tim kaine? >> larry, i wouldn't survive something like that in my party. no i wouldn't survive t >> larry: you would not? >> no i would not. but when the policy seems to be anything's fair game if it's
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blaming the president or getting in his way, i have to -- i have to feel -- my prediction is that chairman steele is going to survive it. >> larry: what do you think of the afghanistan policy? >> well, i think, again, the -- you look at afghanistan much like you look at what you look at what the president has done in iraq. the wars were for very different motives. i think the was right that iraq was a wrong choice and i applaud the way he has brought the troop strength down. he has laid out a plan going forward that calls for a reduction of battle troop strength in afghanistan beginning in 2011. he has accomplished what he said he woe do in iraq i think the american people are going to he will accomplish what he said he will do in afghanistan. >> larry: how do you think your party's going to do this fall? >> larry, i will be honest. it is going to be tough the average mid-terp, i tell democrats all over the country, since teddy roosevelt was president is the presidential party loses 28 house seats,
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loses four senate seats and we are not living in average times. people are hurting, the economy is tough. that makes it a volatile electorate. but i also tell democrats this. so we assume we are running into a headwind and we assume it is tough. nevertheless we don't mind tough and we don't mind running an uphill battle. we have a successful president who is taking huge steps with congress to do heavy lifting, even when it's unpopular to turn the economy around. we have signature achievements, health care, financial reform, women entitled to equal pay for equal work, i think as time wears on, the american public is more and more appreciative of the doing the heavy lifting. you are think we will do better than people think but we have to assume it will be challenging, we have to outwork and outsmart other guys. >> since history is against you, obviously, what's strategy? >> well, i think the strategy, you know, kind of from a message standpoint is basically to at the time american people in 2009, we were in a ditch, the worst economy since the 1930s, jobs being lost at 700,000 a
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month, gdp shrinking, today, a year and a half later, gdp is growing, we are adding jobs. we are not where we want to be yet but for gosh sake, we are finally climbing again. we ought to keep climbing rather than go back in the ditch. let's not embrace the policies or candidates who would put us back there. so that's the message. >> larry: one other thing, justice department legal challenge filed today to arizona's law. you agree with that? >> i do i think the arizona law, it comes out of a frustration with a broken federal immigration policy, but wait to fix it is for senators and house members of both parties to do what they said they had been doing they can should done years ago and come up with a comprehensive immigration policy at the federal level. the solution isn't for states to go one-off and enact harsh policies that really, you know, show a real xenophobic face about who we are. we need to fix this fix at the federal level, that is what the president is set on doing. >> larry: always good seeing
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you, governor. thanks. >> thank you so much, larry. >> larry: governor tim kaine, former governor of virginia, chairman, democratic national committee. back with mark la month hill and michael reagan. don't go away. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] all we ask is that you keep doing what you've always done. ♪ the lexus rx. never has a vehicle been designed to feel so natural. ♪ see your lexus dealer. junior, run the numbers! price on a flight to maui. >> on it, dad.
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>> larry: joining us, michael leaken, chairman of the reagan pact. information about his many activities can be found at reagan.com and the son of the former president ronald reagan and in philadelphia, mark lamont hill, professor at columbia
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university, contributed to loop 21.com. start with you, michael, gop senators mccain, graham, demint and others sharply critical of michael steele. flu is if you are, should he keep his job? >> welcome to politics. this is such a political game being played. today, it doesn't matter what you say, somewhere, somebody is going to cover it and take it and turn it into what it is tonight, on the larry king show talking about it right now, i'm looking at this country and say what are we going to do to get this country back? michael steele is not problem with the country. michael steele says things that may not be the smartest things to say, getting atacked by lindsay graham or the john mccains or whatever. that isn't the issue. i'm not voting for michael steele tonight president of the united states or my congressman or senator. right now the republican party is winning. you don't change horses in july going into a november election. i'm sure governor kaine, would love to see the horse change and put somebody else in there, the
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fact of the matter is now is the knot the time. the governor said he would be fired if he said something stupid. they had howard dean for how many. how many stupid things did howard dean say? he still maintained his position. >> larry: in every offyear election, you know the other party wins in the first -- after the first two years of a presidency. >> from your lips to god's ears. >> larry: going to be unusual, would you be shocked if they don't win, right? mark, what you make of steele's remarks and whether he should keep his job? >> michael steele obviously made comments unfactual, ahistorical to suggest that barack obama initiated a war in afghanistan or that president bush somehow didn't prosecute this war or didn't want to prosecute a war in afghanistan is completely untrue. i think in the subsequent days, michael steele has attempted to make a better argument, simplify barack obama campaigned as a peace candidate when, in fact, he advocated the war in afghanistan. this is his strategy and he should be judged on it. i think michael steele's comes were unresponsible to say this was an unwinnable war while our
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troops are in afghanistan is a dangerous thing to do. would i love him to stay in office? i think he does a great deal offer is straight democratic party now it makes sense to me, someone undermining the troops and the message of the republican party, you can't have him in a leadership position. >> larry: what is victory day? >> nobody defined what it s victory isn't setting a date certain and say we are going to be leaving on this day. >> larry: what is it? >> allowing the enemies to set that up. >> larry: having said that, what -- how do you win? >> that is a good question. i love to talk to general petraeus about it, love to talk to the president of the united states about t yeah we need to win there. is winning there having the people who have freedoms, like we have many freedoms, able to vote, choose their leaders and what have you without the worry of being blown up while they are in line waiting to go to the
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store or waiting to vote? there is a lot of things in fact can happen. right now, i think world and afghanistan needs to know america is on their side and we are going to be there to try to make that a better country to live. >> larry: mark, how does the president win this? >> i'm empty sure you can. if wing means stabilizing the region, creating peace and imposing an american vision of democrat circumstance even if we conceded those things are good things, i'm not sure that is a winnable project f idea is to cut down the amount of american lives lost, that is the american project. if the idea here is to stabilize the region politically and support our own strategic interests that's possible. how does the president do that. by not continuing to send troops there but continue to stabilize the region, happened over the reins to people that can lead themselves and back u.s. troops out very quickly. >> but you're not going to be able be to stabilize the region if, in fact, you don't send more troops there and have them there for general petraeus. >> larry: that's catch-22. >> what you don't want is to to have a limitless number of troops going into afghanistan
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and say we will send 500 -- 100,000 more troops or 50,000 more troops. many military experts say the number of troopts we have now is sufficient for stabilizing the region. >> larry: i will ask you both, only have about a minute left, we asked governor kaine, we will ask you what do you make of the justice department filing suit against the immigration? >> not surprised they will file suit, what have you. i think they are going to find they are wrong what arizona did was cod fay federal law already in place. all they are going to do is live by the law the federal government has in place. that's what they are doing. the federal government is at fault here for not doing anything. there is an answer, i suggest people go to red card solution.org. there is an answer, not going to court. >> larry: what do you think? >> michael andry probably in agreement that this isn't -- the lawsuit isn't the answer here. i do agree the federal government has to do something. having a draconian, xenophobic immigration policy is not the answer. we need comprehensive immigration reform. if we don't do that we will continue to have state like a
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arizona take rogue action it is nothing but window direction and posturing if we don't back it up with realism. glacial reform in the very near future and obama has leadership for that. >> people say this is anmenty immigration law. this san anti-illegal immigration law, not anti-immigration. >> michael , thank you. the incredible turn of events in the case of the missing boy in portland. now a hitman may have entered the picture. that's next. the only calcium supplement with genistein found in nature in soy and proven to significantly build bone density. citracal. we're with you when you're saving for your dreams. when you want a bank that travels with you. with you when you're ready for the next move. [ male announcer ] now that wells fargo and wachovia have come together, what's in it for you? unprecedented strength, the stability of the leading community bank in the nation
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by the way, still help the gulf. ante up for great auction item at cnn.com/larry king. click on the charity buzz link. the auction ends this week. get your bids in now. check in, sanjay gupta in for anderson cooper tonight what is the lead, sanjay? >> as we do every night on "360", we will be keeping them honest about never happened, bp filed papers promising regulate
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terse could skim and remove 491,000 barrels of oil a day from the gulf. numbers matter here and they said 491,000 barrels. just how believable is that? right now, as we speak, up to 60,000 barrels are escaping from the bottom of the gulf and bp isn't able to collect that amount which is an eighth of what they said they could handle. also go going get up close on the effects of the spill on mental health. first, there was katrina, then the recession and now this. many here have reached the limit on what they can take. got those stories. much more as well, larry, at the top of the hour. >> larry: thanks, sanjay. 10 eastern, 7 pacific. it has been more than a month since 7-year-old kyron horman disappeared from his oregon schoolhouse. investigators say his stepmother, terri, is the last person known to have seen the little boy. and now, a bizarre twist involving that stepmother. maxine bernstein a reporter for the "oregonian." she broke this incredible new development, which is what
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maxine? >> hi, larry. as we reported in the sunday "oregonian," investigator also tracked down a landscaper that had worked for the horman household in the rural home in rural northwest portland. the landscaper told investigators that terri horman, who is kyron's mom, offered to pay him to kill her husband. investigators further learned from the landscaper that this murder-for-hire scheme was presenthood him about six to seven months before kyron's disappearance. >> larry: this is who -- who wants him killed, the stepmother or the mother? >> the stepmom who is terri horman, who kyron has lived with. >> larry: right. she supposedly wants to hire someone to kill her husband. any reason for this? what's the investigation showing? >> they didn't divulge the
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motive. there's some suspicions that there were problems in the marriage, but i don't think they have nailed down the exact motive, investigators did have the landscaper assist their investigation and had them come conn tact terri horman, kyron's stepmom, and this time accompanied by an undercover officer and wearing a body mike. in the recorded conversation, h horman to pay him $10,000 so he wouldn't go to police. apparently she was wise to what was going on and cut off the conversation very quickly. >> all right. >> authorities -- >> larry: i'm sorry. go ahead. >> investigators thought what the landscaper said was fairly credible, was credible and
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serious enough that they shared it with kyron's dad on june 26th. and within two days, he obtained a family law attorney and filed for divorce and a petition for restraining order. >> larry: anything new on the missing boy? >> there's no word of kyron's location. no arrest in the case and the investigation is continuing. >> that's maxine bernstein reporter of the oregonian. amazing story. the mother and stepmother of shawn hornbeck, who was kidnapped october 6th, 2002, while riding his bike. he was 11 years old. he was found alive in the apartment of his abductor february 12th, 2007, after 4 1/2 years of captivity. they join us tonight from st. louis. i guess, pam, your message would be to everyone involved, keep
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hope alive, right? >> keep hope alive until something has brought to you to prove differently, there's always hope out there. keep those prayers going. >> larry: what do you make of this case, craig? kid goes to school with his stepmother, stepmother who has a masters degree in education, apparently loving to her little stepson and gone. what do you make of it? >> it's really baffling. initially, it was -- i was dumbfounded how someone in that type of situation could disappear so fast, right under people's noses. it just seemed to me there had to be more to the story than what we were hearing. >> how did you not -- did you ever give up, pam, about finding your boy? >> no, i never did. there were times when i got real depressed and got alone, i thought maybe i was fooling myself for not giving up that hope but then something would come back to me or a mrm, a
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scent, a song or something that told me to keep that hope going, because i knew he was still out there and i knew he was still alive. >> larry: were either of you under suspicion? >> no. that was one of the things that we did early on. we cooperated fully with the police and the fbi. we were polygraphed by the fbi. and in that way, we were able to clear ourselves so they could really focus on what they needed to be focusing on, instead of taking time out of their schedule to look at us. >> larry: what happened to his abse abductor, pam? was he convicted? >> oh, yeah. he got multiple, multiple life sentences. he'll never see the outside again. >> larry: when we come back, we'll find out how shawn is doing. he was away from age 11 to age 15. extraordinary.
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whatsoever for us to believe, other than the fact that kyron is still alive. we have the potential opportunity to still bring him home. and until that evidence has been produced to me, we will continue under that premise. >> talking to pam and craig akers in st. louis. kyron's biological parents have not done many media appearances. is that wise, pam? >> well, you know, at the very beginning when shawn was taken, i didn't do too many of them either. i just emotionally could not do that. that's why craig handled the majority of them. but after a while, they will have to start doing the appearances if he is still missing out there, because they're the ones that are going to have to make sure that his name and his picture and what's going on with his case is still out there. >> how was his abductor found, craig? >> that is really going to take some good detective work.
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unraveling the timeline and figuring out exactly where he was at what points in time are going to be critical to what -- >> larry: is that what they did in your case? how was your -- shawn's abductor found? >> we actually were very fortunate. his abductor got greedy and decided to abduct another young boy. he did and this time there was a witness who was able to provide a detailed description of the vehicle to police, which led police to the abductor a few days later where they found both boys together in his apartment. >>. >> larry: how tough was the adjustment period, pam? you hadn't seen him for four years. he had been with an abductor. how did that go? >> at the very beginning, you know, it was -- it wasn't hard that he was home again, but it was hard to understand what he might have been going through or what he was going through and to make sure that we got him the right education he needed and
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the right therapy that he needed for me to even let him out of the room from where i was at, i would say, for about the first year, that was really hard to adjust. and you just eventually have to give him a little bit more space and a little bit more space and you just work on it with, you know, therapy and time and time heals everything. >> larry: how is he doing now, craig? >> he's doing awesome. he met his high school graduation requirements a semester early. he has graduated from high school now, has a semester in of college, pursuing a degree in criminal justice. he's working, dating, driving. your ordinary, average 19-year-old boy. you would never know that anything had ever happened. >> larry: does he often talk about what happened to him, pam? >> no, not at all. we talked about it in therapy. he talked about it with us just a little bit. we don't ask him any questions. if there's something on his mind, he may say something to us.

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